Middle Eastern Conflagration, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran

Not sure you could hope for much more from an oped from a us president than this.

Wouldn’t Palestine being a sovereign state kinda address the settlement issue as Palestine could decide their own immigration policies? Obviously Israel may not want that but at some point the world may force them to agree to something.

Well they’ve got to do try something, but there’s nothing here that hasn’t been attempted before. Israel giving up the settlements does not seem realistic and neither does the idea that Palestinian-controlled territory that is directly adjacent to Israel will not be used as a platform to attack.

And what if “the voices of Palestinian people and their aspirations must be at the center of post-crisis governance in Gaza” is not compatible with “Gaza and the West Bank should be reunited under a single governance structure, ultimately under a revitalized Palestinian Authority”?

All I can think of is establishing internationally-controlled and defended DMZs around Israel, but there are obviously a million problems with that idea.

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I don’t think so, because a two-state solution means picking one of these options:

  • Israelis in West Bank settlements now live in Palestine, under Palestinian rule (completely unacceptable to Israel, will never happen)
  • the West Bank is defined as the swiss-cheese areas of Palestinian control while Israel annexes settlements & the areas between them that it currently fully controls, necessarily keeping heavy movement restrictions on Palestinians (completely unacceptable to Palestine, will never happen, at least not with their consent)
  • Israeli withdraws from the West Bank (hard to imagine them doing this; Israel hasn’t been slowly working towards annexation of the West Bank through settlements to just…give up, when they can keep doing what they’re doing instead)

Yeah, a one state outcome with an ethnic cleansing or genocide is basically inevitable if Israel keeps doing what it’s doing. So far the rest of the world isn’t stopping them, so unless the Israeli people get rid of Bibi, that’s what’s probably going to happen.

CNN reporting hostage deal was reached with hamas with no other details.

The Ukraine war guys on Twitter say 4 day ceasefire, release 50 Israeli hostages and Israel release 150 Palestinians from prisons

CNN has live updates being reported here, like

I think this ends with North Gaza becoming a buffer zone that gets annexed/resettled after a bit and then begins the slow project of evicting Palestinians out of South Gaza.

In this episode of “why does anyone talk to Isaac Chotiner”, how the fuck did a U.S. Senator’s handlers agree to this?

non-paywall link

It’s not as brutal as Chotiner interviews often are, but this guy looks like a vapid clown repeating talking points.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1727670155151331457

“Explicitly targeted”… by unnamed mysterious entities

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We’re getting reports that (doubletake, squinting at teleprompter) … David Cameron is based, actually?

https://twitter.com/bbcjlandale/status/1728105949146288378

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/25/israel-hamas-rape-sexual-violence/

Graphic eyewitness reports of rape and murder committed by Hamas against hostages, despite their alleged fealty to the Quran and opposition to “premarital sex.”

Behind a paywall. Are these reports from the recently released hostages?

Identified as mostly “witnesses and first responders,” including individuals from a non-partisan human rights group.

Wonder if Biden has decided he is done with current Israeli government. NYT just dropped this

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Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

Sounds like how the Bush Administration responded to all the information about an impending attack prior to 9/11

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yeah prob not good

Sounds like not much damage done so the US won’t have to escalate unless they want to…