Middle Eastern Conflagration, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran

pvn · May 1, 2024, 6:33pm

I never fucking learn, just can’t stop, the flow of diarrhea is just too tempting, I can’t stop looking at it.

DrChesspain · May 1, 2024, 7:36pm

MrWookie · May 1, 2024, 9:35pm

It is, of course, stupid to say that an agreement would only not be reached because of the other party. You can’t put forth a proposal that you like and then get upset that the other party does not like it.

DrChesspain · May 1, 2024, 9:52pm

You can’t refuse to negotiate and then cry when no one is left standing.

MrWookie · May 1, 2024, 9:55pm

Did you try reading your own link?

Hamas says its position is ‘negative’ on Israel’s offer but signals willingness to keep talking.

DrChesspain · May 1, 2024, 10:00pm

The side who wants a ceasefire always wants to “keep talking.”

The clock is ticking…

commonWealth · May 1, 2024, 10:56pm

Referring to an offensive into Rafah, per CNN:

Despite warnings from Blinken and other top Biden officials, the Israeli prime minister has continually said he would carry out such an operation with or without a ceasefire deal, and with or without US support.

So even if there’s a “ceasefire” they’re going to invade Rafah. Did we change the definition of ceasefire?

Bonus points to anyone who can explain how this is a generous deal from Israel, as Blinken claims, or how we can view Israel as intending to do anything short of taking all of Gaza, given Netanyahu is promising to take Rafah even if there’s a ceasefire.

LouisCyphre · May 1, 2024, 11:28pm

You seem to care very little about Palestinian lives.

MrWookie · May 2, 2024, 2:28am

According to @DrChesspain, you are not allowed to try to negotiate for an actual ceasefire and then cry when your people get slaughtered anyway, so I guess this is the natural order of things when the more powerful side wants to commit genocide and the other side isn’t sufficiently sympathetic.

DrChesspain · May 2, 2024, 3:39am

So you do have some basic understanding of human behavior?

Good for you!

MrWookie · May 2, 2024, 4:33am

I mean, I thought you above “might makes right” but if that’s your side, plant your flag and we can just move on.

LouisCyphre · May 2, 2024, 1:28pm

goofy · May 2, 2024, 8:25pm

Super normal stuff here:

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/01/us-israel-palestinian-authority-icc-arrest-warrant

U.S. and Israeli officials said Israel told the Biden administration that if arrests warrants are issued, it will consider the Palestinian Authority responsible and retaliate with strong action that could lead to its collapse.

boredsocial · May 2, 2024, 8:43pm

The mask is all the way off. Bibi is in survival mode. He’s still looking for an exit from this hell of his own making.

Honestly I do not see one he’s fucked.

boredsocial · May 3, 2024, 6:16pm

WAPO Article about Israel destroying a bunch of food production capacity in Gaza. Very normal stuff.

bbb7979 · May 3, 2024, 8:49pm

It’s Hamas fault for eating the same food as the Palestinians. What else could Israel do?

goofy · May 6, 2024, 6:39pm

non-paywall link

“Hysteria for political reasons,” Minister Benny Gantz termed the statement issued over the weekend by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (also known as “the diplomatic official”), in which he reiterated that with or without a temporary pause in the fighting for the release of our hostages, “We will enter Rafah and eliminate the remaining Hamas battalions.”

Later, before the end of Shabbat, Netanyahu sent another announcement, in which he denied reports saying Israel had agreed to a cease-fire as part of a deal.

Gantz hit the nail on the head this time. Netanyahu is fleeing from a hostage deal. The closer it gets, the faster he runs to avoid it. At least twice in recent months he has sabotaged the sensitive moves toward a deal, whether through public statements or covert messages, or by curbing the mandate of the negotiating team. It was no different this time.

What was the point of these statements, before Hamas had even responded to the proposal, if not to thwart and sabotage.

It is not the 33 hostages who might be released – the sick, the injured, the old; women, including female soldiers – who are uppermost in his thoughts, but rather the 64 Knesset members of his coalition and above all, himself: the head of the government of failure and the October 7 massacre, the criminal defendant, the leader who has lost his people’s trust, the politician whose promises of “total victory” in Gaza if we can only eliminate the four remaining Hamas battalions are dismissed by an overwhelming majority of Israelis, including rightists.

Netanyahu had hoped that the Egyptian proposal, which was more far-reaching than anything he had been willing to accept in the past, would be rejected by Hamas. Over the weekend, when the negotiations took a positive turn, Netanyahu found himself in distress, as was expressed by his flurry of statements.

pvn · May 6, 2024, 7:08pm

yeah this is never going to sink in with normies because it’s so counter to everyone’s lowest level brain programming. it would never occur to regular humans that someone would take the bibi path here.

boredsocial · May 6, 2024, 7:50pm

To be fair that’s because you have to be a sociopath to find bibi lines.

goofy · May 8, 2024, 2:46am

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1787943165225234894

The Biden administration’s report on whether Israel has violated U.S. and international humanitarian law during the war in Gaza has been delayed and will no longer be released Wednesday as planned, three Senate aides and a House aide told POLITICO.

The State Department has been working for months on the report, which will issue a determination on whether Israel has violated international humanitarian law since the war in Gaza began. If so, the U.S. would be expected to stop sending Israel military assistance.

But the report won’t be finished by an initial Wednesday deadline, said the aides, granted anonymity to discuss internal communications. In an email, the Biden administration notified the Hill that it will miss the date — without providing a clear reason why.

The email said the report is “briefly delayed,” but doesn’t provide a specific timeline.

I expect the report will be released right around when Aileen Cannon sentences Trump to jail