It depends what you think that phrase means. I am an “Israel hater” of the current government & its policies the same way I am an “America hater” when we have a shitty GOP government doing shitty things within and without the United States that make me embarrassed for this country. I imagine a lot of us feel that way about GWB and Trump, and I can’t imagine it being very controversial to feel the same about how Netanyahu and his far-right-wing cabinet are prosecuting this war.
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Keep telling yourself this.
??? you literally are lol, like you just posted this statement like “I’m DESTROYING the Israel haters with FACTS and LOGIC, they’ll NEVER understand this kind of truth bomb” and two people responded like “uh, what? we agree that’s true” 
For four years straight I was blasting the decision making of the US executive branch but I don’t think I was ever anywhere close to being a “USA hater” not sure why this feels so different to you?
Imagine believing that “Hamas is bad” and “I hate Jews” are logically incompatible thoughts.
Or are you that simple?
What on earth are you talking about?
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The fact you think you agree with me and CN about Hamas says NOTHING about how you feel about Jews.
Is that simple enough for you to understand? Or are you just trolling?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/09/israel-politics-gantz-netanyahu-gallant/
And some people ITT are still cheering on Israel like this is a sporting event and they’re cheering for a team. I’ve said since the beginning this is a tragedy with absolutely zero good actors that is going to be extremely unpleasant… and lo and behold here we are many months later and my fear of a six figure body count are looking likely to come true if no one can stop Bibi from letting ChatGPT decide which person’s neighborhood gets the shit shelled out of it with dumb munitions tonight.
I don’t even know how to be civil about an ongoing genocide and I don’t feel like that’s a capability I want to develop even?
You can probably understand my confusion given that no one was talking about “how you feel about Jews” in the slightest until you decided to randomly bring it up as part of your “you all only oppose Israel’s murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians because you hate Jews” campaign. But cool, good to hear you’re still on that. Good luck with it!
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I really don’t have a dog in this fight, I think you would see my posts since Oct have been more sympathetic to Israeli policy than many and I genuinely not sure what your talking about in regards to Goofy opinions on Jews??
Yeah I’m happy to say that I’m currently representing more or less exactly the views of my very jewish grandfather. The man went to demonstrations in the 40’s-60’s against zionism and it’s looking increasing like he was entirely right.
I got news amongst reform Jews Israel causes some very very mixed feelings. You ain’t gonna play that anti semitic shit with me. Anti semitic is carrying out a genocide and calling anyone who calls you out on it an anti semite. The actual anti semites love what you’re doing though!
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So the frustrating thing to me is that Israel gets held to this standard while y’all regurgitate Hamas’ total deaths numbers as civilian deaths and make awful trolley metaphors about it.
The standards here are astronomically different. Hamas gets judged to a standard of a murderous terrorist organization when it’s effectively a government. It’s maddening. There’s only criticism from a lot of y’all when Israel legitimately attempted a narrow rescue mission.
Do you even believe the drivel you type?
It’s almost like it’s an asymmetrical conflict where one side receives unlimited military aid from the wealthiest and most powerful country in human history.
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…and where one side controls the other’s borders, and steals more bits and pieces of the other every year, and treats their people like Black citizens under Jim Crow (at least, that’s the West Bank, the ones in Gaza are treated as less than human), and propped up the very terrorists they now use as their excuse for carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing
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And fyi,
I held the United States to higher standards than fucking Al Qaeda too (or Saddam, or the Taliban) if you were somehow born yesterday and think this is a radical, novel principle people invented only as an excuse to criticize Israel. Like I don’t know how well you remember the stuff we argued about on 2+2 but I was very mad about shit like this:
What a fucking deplorable statement, blaming the kid’s father (who was not there) for this kid being present at a drone strike intended to kill a wholly unrelated target who also was not there (though the U.S. claimed they did get their man at the time; instructive!).
Any of the people posting bravely on Twitter about “the only democracy in the Middle East” or “the most moral army in the world” are kinda giving the game away when they’re like “but really, how can you expect Israel to not drag itself down to the level of the terrorists they’re fighting, they have no other choice, Hamas made them do all of this”. I mean how many mental gymnastics must one perform to post this:
(and yes I recall your post explaining this above - Hamas made Israel flatten a residential block in a refugee camp, forcing them to engage in “support airstrikes” in response to the outcome no Israeli planners could possibly have predicted might result from their actions: Hamas fought back against invading soldiers)
And the other obvious thing here that I’m shocked I even need to state is that this generosity you extend only goes one way. Any Palestinian incursion into Israeli territory to attempt to free Palestinian prisoners in Israel would be met with harsh condemnation from you & others simply for violating Israel’s territory, on top of any deaths that followed, no matter how many people were freed or how many deaths there were or how many of those deaths were military vs. civilian. So please spare us this charade where you pretend like you give a shit about any of these principles when the only underlying rule that matters to you is that no one criticize Israel.
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Again, nobody supports Hamas. Everyone considers them a terror organization that has control of a government. There’s nothing worth discussing regarding that on a daily basis because we all more or less agree.
The only disagreement is over the disproportionate response from Israel, and the Israeli government’s apparent position that unlimited collateral damage is justified as thousands of civilians are slaughtered. This is abhorrent given their extreme military superiority. Like their victory is inevitable, it’s just a matter of three variables: how long it takes, how much collateral damage there is among civilians, and whether they’re going to take more land away.
The proper course of action is to minimize civilian death, even if it takes longer, and not to either annex land or intentionally render it uninhabitable. They should be as surgical as possible, but instead they’re taking out charity aid workers and leveling city blocks.
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This a US centric discussion board. The US isn’t shipping Hamas weapons, if we were there would be a ton of discussion about it I’m sure. Pointing out that Hamas doing terror attacks is bad just doesn’t require discussion/debate, it’s self evident.
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This is the same excuse the broader media gives about not criticizing Trump, and we skewer the fuck out of them for it.
50% of the media target audience (USA) supports Trump so it’s problematic for media to not talk about his issues.
But there is not a sizable contingent of the target audience of this forum (our posters) who support Hamas doing terror attacks so it just isn’t something that leads to continued discussion because there is nothing much to discuss in that regard as there already consensus that Hamas doing terror attacks is bad