2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Debate Night - Walz vs Weirdo

[McTrollson]

@pvn

this gives the democrats a chance to pull the plug if it’s a disaster

That’s way too smart of an idea for the Dems to come up with.

@LouisCyphre

Trump voters don’t care.

It’ll kill voter enthusiasm a bit, I think. It was much easier to go out to vote when Trump was dunking on Hillary.

[LouisCyphre]

What gaffe could be possible commit that he hasn’t already done before in the past 8 years? Who are the voters who pay attention to the debate or its coverage but are also unaware of who Trump really is?

[McTrollson]

I think it’s the vibe. Trump seems less like a fun, confident troll and more like a confused old man rambling about how great Frank Sinatra is looking these days.

Remember, the last two Biden/Trump debates were a disaster for Trump.

[LouisCyphre]

After which he gained ~7 million votes compared to 2016 and lost the election by ~43k votes in 3 states.

[eyebooger]

@LouisCyphre

After which he gained ~7 million votes compared to 2016

It was actually 11 million votes.

[Surf]

Honestly feel like the Biden is senile thing is so engrained he kinda freerolling

[MrWookie]

Sure, most people are locked in, but swinging a few percent is all it takes.

[MrWookie]

This too. Trump Republicans have been HORRIBLE at playing the expectations game. They played up Biden as a drooling invalid in advance of the SOTU, and then they had to make excuses about him being on drugs after a speech that was unremarkable compared to the lofty standards of Obama and Slick Willy. They won’t be able to help themselves but make the same mistake again, because Trump is too stupid not to make the same mistake again himself.

[pvn]

@LouisCyphre

Trump voters don’t care.

right but they’re already voting for trump, that’s not who they need to worry about

[commonWealth]

@Jman220

Early voting though. That’s a relatively new thing.

Also, NYT has something sourced that “Trump Campaign Officials, to a tee, believe that Biden has significantly deteriorated since the 2020 debates and they want the country to see that.”

I mean, maybe they’re right, but it kind of sounds like they’re getting high on their own supply and have just made a critical error. Because I don’t know much, but I do know that Trump sure as shit has deteriorated more than Biden. The man can’t even stay awake at his fucking felony trial.

Yeah I’m pretty adamant that Biden has deteriorated enough that he shouldn’t be POTUS, and even I think he’s going to wipe the floor with Trump, who has clearly deteriorated WAY more from an already worse starting condition.

[Melkerson]

@LouisCyphre

Trump voters don’t care.

If we’re being fair, Biden voters don’t care either.

Biden can incoherently babble for a full hour and look like he should be involuntarily committed. I’m still taking that over Trump and I suspect I’m not alone.

Part of my rationalization is that Biden will at least have competent and sane handlers. Trump will not.

[Danspartan]

I’m more worried about Trump doing so poorly that the Rs make a switch to a “normie” like Haley.

Yes I realize how unrealistic that is in reality.

[commonWealth]

@Danspartan

I’m more worried about Trump doing so poorly that the Rs make a switch to a “normie” like Haley.

Yes I realize how unrealistic that is in reality.

This would be an incredible outcome. All the MAGA only Republicans would stay home, Biden would cruise.

Edit: Not gonna happen, though.

[Spinetta]

Yeah, imagine that during the debate he says it’s OK to grab women by the pussy, if you’re famous they let you do it.

Or that he says that if NATO countries don’t pony up he’ll encourage Russia to invade them.

Or that January 6 insurrectionists are heroes and political prisoners.

Or if he mocked a disabled person on stage for all to see?

He surely would be replaced then!

[LouisCyphre]

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1791228923348500730

[LouisCyphre]

[goofy]

jbouie

Opinion | When ‘Stop the Steal’ Becomes Your Motto

non-paywall link

For Trump, a man who seems to live in the eternal present, “stop the steal” never actually ended. He maintains, as he did on Nov. 3, 2020, that he won the presidential election that put Joe Biden in the White House. Last month, he told an audience in Wisconsin, “We won this state by a lot.” (He lost it by 20,682 votes.) He told Time magazine, in a recent interview, that he “wouldn’t feel good” about hiring anyone who believed that Biden was the legitimate winner of the last presidential election. Asked if he would accept the results of the 2024 election, Trump said that he would, “if everything’s honest.”

Of course, for Trump, if he doesn’t win, then it isn’t honest.

But it isn’t just Trump priming Republican voters to reject the results of the November election if Biden prevails. His allies are doing the same.

Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio told CNN on Sunday that in a “free and fair election” he, and every other Republican, “will enthusiastically accept the results.” Meaning that, if Trump does not win, then the election will not have been free and fair. Vance, who is so eager to serve as running mate to Trump that he made a pilgrimage on Monday to the Manhattan courthouse where the former president is on trial for paying hush money to cover up his affair with a porn star, has also said that if he were vice president in 2020, he would have told states to submit alternate slates of electors.

Representative Elise Stefanik of New York has said that she will accept the results if they are “constitutional,” and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina has said that he will accept them if “there’s no massive cheating.”

Now what, for this crowd, would constitute an unfair, unfree, unconstitutional election in which the results were shaped by “massive cheating?”

But let’s say Biden recovers lost ground. Let’s say he wins the Electoral College with narrow victories in key swing states, as he did in 2020. Let’s say that a few of those margins are exceptionally slim — a few thousand votes here, a few thousand votes there. We know what will come next. Trump will cry out “illegal voting” and most of the Republican Party will follow suit. They’ll say that Democrats encouraged it with “open borders” and demand that states overturn the results. And Trump, notably, has not ruled out the use of violence to get what he wants.
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Some of this, it’s true, comes from the fact that much of the party is caught in the snare of the former president’s cult of personality. But some of it runs much deeper. The Republican Party never moved on from Nixon’s “silent majority,” from the notion that it alone represents the supposedly authentic people of the United States. Democrats, no matter how many votes they get or how many elections they win, cannot, in this view, legitimately claim to represent the nation.

From the Tea Party to Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” to Trump’s make-believe tales of fraud and illegal voting, Republicans treat Democratic voters and Democratic majorities as not quite right — not quite real, not quite American. No matter how many votes they earn or how many elections they win, Democrats cannot, in this view, legitimately claim to represent the nation.

We should not expect a Biden victory, if it comes, to end the threat to American democracy. With or without Trump, a Republican Party that cannot share this country with its political opponents is a Republican Party that will always look for one way or another to stop the steal.

[Jman220]

https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1791644668901392451?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1791644668901392451|twgr^30980fd26113d105d1d348a515e6540cce933950|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fdonald-trump-blames-crappy-contractor-after-onstage-wobble-1902159

[McTrollson]

@Danspartan

I’m more worried about Trump doing so poorly that the Rs make a switch to a “normie” like Haley.

Haley is like the Right’s Hillary Clinton, utterly and completely unelectable. More likely they go with some Trumpy guy like JD Vance.

[Surf]

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