Thatās not the same at all. US voters being unhappy with Israeli policy doesnāt mean they are against US remaining an Israeli ally.
I didnāt say they wanted to go to war with israel, they want the genocide to stop (and those numbers are moving pretty fast, note that poll was from like march or whatever)
I guess weāll just resume the usual āif youāre not in favor of bibiās plan to turn gaza into a parking lot youāre an antisemiteā discourse
Democrats are not in the position to do either of those things right now, you need to vote for them.
Last time they had a federal trifecta they passed a massive set of health care reforms ffs
Most people want the conflict to stop.
They donāt agree with the leftists who want to cut off Israel economically and politically.
I donāt understand, what do you disagree with pvn on that required this digression? He didnāt say ācut off Israelā
The leftist position goes beyond wanting the conflict to stop! Pvn asserted the leftist position on Israel is popular. It is in fact not.
What do you mean when you say that? Seems like itās primarily that some people say stuff on Twitter, but seems hard to make monolith position worth discussing out of that unless the group of people is very large?
Like plenty of āleftistsā think all sorts of stuff about millions of topics and it doesnāt become a massive source of discussion
Thereās no support for cutting Israel off from any weapons and/or cutting them off as an ally
Im not talking about any specific statement here, I mean thematically why are you so interested in finding some random person on Twitter with a very spicy take and then kinda loosely implying by association that is the position of everyone you discussing with?
Like it seems the random Twitter posts genuinely offend you personally or something. But people post wild stuff on Twitter day and night on literally all topics.
Theyāre loud as fuck and pop up all over my Twitter feed, and theyāre interestingly stupid.
Pvn is also defending them.
Anyways poor senile Biden seemingly doing actual good on the people he can influence
https://x.com/barakravid/status/1797707430325030947?s=46&t=N0_fcOKIYYmlCS2e4YShsQ
Sorry, what?
affirmed that Hamas is now the only obstacle to a complete ceasefire
The wording of this is awkward following the stuff about Qatar, but I mean literally every other time heās said this (and itās been more than one) it was wrong and Israelās insane right-wing government was the obstacle. What changed here? This is meaningless without details. Is this a new ādealā Israel has offered like many of their previous ones thatās like āunconditionally surrender now and we will stop the genocideā, because lol if so
The details of negotiations arenāt something we know for sure and saying this is definitely wrong is silly. Thereās been multiple leaks about how hamas keeps adding to their demands to sour any process, as well as Netanyahus shenanigans
Did anyone do that? What are the words I did use? This insistence of talking past people does not help foster productive discussions ITT.
You just said it was wrong every time he said thisā¦ did you mean that maybe he was wrong?
It has been wrong other times when he has said it in the past. That suggests we should view this statement with skepticism until more details are provided.
Has it though? Because Iāve read the opposite and the rest is Israeli posturing