maybe you should go read what I actually wrote rather than just spouting off about some imaginary conversation you had with me in your head
ikes electoral strategy:
- identify a group of potential voters that would really help bidenâs chances
- tell them to shut up
also note the nonstop false dichotomies ikes uses
âthere is some extreme whacko who wants to end diplomatic relations with israel, therefore the only options are to continue supplying weapons and backing bibi or total capitulation to that one guyâ
bibi has said publicy since the âisraeliâ deal was made public that heâs not interested, not sure how this baloney still has legs
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This is lazy and not even close to accurate characterization
itâs exactly what youâre doing
I point out that stopping the genocide is popular, you jump immediately to some bullshit about completely cutting off relations with israel. itâs 100% bait and switch bullshit. there are many much less extreme things that could be done that would help stop the genocide that do not involve completely cutting off all contact with israel, and the biden administration isnât taking even the smallest of those steps. You however are insisting that the ONLY thing we can consider in this discussion is âto cut off Israel economically and politicallyâ which is extremely âlazyâ not to mention disingenuous (in other words, par for the course with you)
pvn - the people who are threatening to withhold their vote to Biden literally want this. Itâs called BDS (boycott, divest and sanctions) for a reason.
Iâm sorry dude the people who are withholding their vote for Biden talk about how it âwould take one phone callâ. It is not widely supported to B/D/S. Itâs not widely supported to stop arms shipments. Itâs not widely supported to do much of anything negative towards Israel.
But is PVN or more than maybe 1 or 2 posters here or more than 1-2 congress people actually calling for that? Itâs just not a super relevant conversation.
We can be sympathetic to the motives of the majority of mostly young people calling for that on the basis that they are probably well intentioned genuinely wanting less people to suffer without necessarily agreeing with everything they propose. Would be much more productive discussing how you could engage with someone spouting what you think is crazy instead of just making fun of them. They arenât Trumpers, they genuinely want the world to be a better place but may be misguided on some things
The discussion here is the group of people who are, or at least threatening to, withhold their vote for Biden over Israel. Basically the entire group is BDS types.
Thatâs what Iâm saying they arenât Trumpers, they donât want the world to be worse and arenât immune from reason. So itâs actually worth trying to understand where they coming from like PVN suggesting instead of just finding tweets to make fun of or whatever
Point of order here, pretty much everyone thinks that they are working to make the world better. Even among literal serial killers, they think theyâre doing good because of whatever bullshit reason. MTG does not see herself as a force of evil doing harm to the world, she is the good guy in her view.
Therefore, thinking that they are worth convincing because they think they are doing good isnât helpful. Everyone thinks that. The question is if they will listen to reason.
Helping elect Donald Trump because you care about Palestine makes no fucking sense. Maybe you could reason with some of them. Itâs not like I have real data on these people and the loud online people clearly arenât representative, but literally anyone who cares about Palestine as a primary issue who doesnât vote for Biden and democrats more generally is a fucking moron.
well we tried, but youâre pretty impervious to reason
you keep helping elect trump by telling a bunch of voters (who could be pretty easily brought on board) to shut up
Are you not voting for Biden pvn? Can you point to the people not voting for Biden here?
Me: an open borders advocate who thinks immigration is super important as fertility rates drop worldwide
Biden: what I think are dumb but overall likely popular immigration changes as part of a broader electoral strategy
Me: still will vote for Biden because Iâm not a fucking moron
no shit? have you actually been reading anything in this thread (answer: we already know you havenât because youâve been doing this âreply to some weird mirror-universe version of posts that were never actually made in this threadâ bit for decades)
Pvn have you found the people who arenât voting for Biden that Iâm yelling at yet?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/06/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine-rafah/
Suuuuuure it was used by Hamas. Iâm ashamed I was still falling for that shit when they blew up the second hospital.
Even if it was, doesnât matter. Doesnât mean they get to kill a bunch of civilians, including kids.